EO 13101 Quarterly Teleconference
"Construction Products: Concrete, Insulation, Paint, and Carpeting"
Teleconference Workshop on Greening the Government through Waste Prevention, Recycling, and Federal Acquisition
February 24, 2000 11 a.m.- 12:30 p.m. Eastern Standard Time
AL OPERATIONS OFFICE: Harish Sharma
Kansas City Plant: Dave Brown, Andy Gibler, Bill Turner, Maureen Ferentz
LANL: Eleanor Chapman
Sandia, CA: Sally Raubfogel
WIPP: Cindy Woodin, Cynthia Zvonar
CHICAGO OPERATIONS OFFICE: Tony Bindokas
ANL: Keith Trychta, Steve ?
ANL-W: Adrian Collins
Ames Laboratory: Jack Cummings, Dan Kayser, Jim Burchar
PPPL: Tom McGeachen
ENERGY EFFICENCY REGIONAL OFFICES:
Chicago: Allie Mansker
NETL: Debbie Boggs, Rich Geller
NETL-Pittsburgh: Bruce Webster
Strategic Petroleum Reserves: Katherine Batiste, Michael Huff, Scott Burns
GOLDEN FIELD OFFICE : Greg Collette
NREL: Don Carlile
HQ : Susan Weber, Kristin Wowak, Richard Langston, Arnie Edelman, Mark Huffman, Carol Laumeier, Connie Haga, Souad Benromdhane
IDAHO NATIONAL ENGINEERING & ENVIRONMENTAL LAB: David Janke, Mary-Ann Somsen, Darnell Evans
NAVAL REACTOR SITES: Pittsburgh: Greg Sawl
Schenectady: Don Farris
OAKLAND OPERATIONS OFFICE:
ETEC: Satish Shah
LBNL: Shelley Worsham
LLNL: Julie Jenkins
SLAC: Alan Saltzberg, Richard Cellamare
OAK RIDGE OPERATIONS OFFICE: Ana Gonzalez, Marvin Bennett
ORAU: Erskine Gray
Portsmouth: Mitch Newman
TJNAF: Linda Evan
Y-12: Ron Walton
OHIO OPERATIONS OFFICE: Doug Maynor, Jim Walters
Fernald: Alisa Rhodes
Mound: Barbara Hood
WVDP: Herman Moore
RICHLAND OPERATIONS OFFICE: Anna Beard, John Perez, Jeff Mayfield
Hanford: Mary Betsch (Fluor Daniel), Doug DuVon (Bechtel), Donnell Long (Bechtel), Candice Marple (DynCorp), David Nichols (Fluor Daniel)
PNNL: Sandra Cannon (EO13101 Coordinator), Victor Epperly (F&O), Kim Fowler (Pollution Prevention Team), Julie Gaston (F&O), Rodney Jones (F&O), David Koontz (F&O), Jeff Pittman (F&O)
ROCKY FLATS : Tamar Krantz
SAVANNAH RIVER SITE: Tim Coffield, Penelope Fulghum, Monica Jorque, Mike Hess
Bonneville: Joseph Sharpe, Bob Orr
Western Area: Frank A. Armstrong, Larry Martin, Ken Matthias
DoD: Ruth A VanDiver, Maxwell AFB
EPA: Dana Arnold
11:00 a. m. Dial in
11:10 a. m. Greeting and introductions - Susan Weber, DOE-HQ EO13101 Manager
Good morning! My name is Susan Weber. I am the program manager at DOE headquarters responsible for coordinating our efforts in implementing the requirements of RCRA, Section 6002 and Executive Order 13101, Greening the Government Through Waste Reduction, Recycling, and Federal Acquisition . This morning we'll be looking at greening through acquisition of construction products with recycled content.
But first I have a few announcements. On January 19th, EPA published CPG III and RMAN III in the federal register. CPG III adds 18 new items, which now brings the total number of items to 57 (if you count all the paper items), or 53 if you lump all the paper items together, as EPA does. We will have one year in which to find suppliers and to begin buying these new items with recycled content. Take a look and see how these new items can be incorporated into your affirmative procurement programs at your sites. The CPGs and RMANs are on our web site under the guidance section.
Which leads me to my next announcement. As a follow-up to the pollution prevention conference in Albuquerque last November, the environmentally preferable purchasing group recommended that we need current information on the availability of the CPG items. So by the end of this month, you will all receive an e-mail from Kristin Wowak of TRW asking you to help us get this database up by providing information on where your site gets its CPG items with recycled content and how much you pay for them. This information will be made available on our web site for all to use. I know that Savannah River, for example, seems to be getting the best deal in the complex on copier paper by means of a purchase agreement that other DOE sites can participate in. I think that the Kansas City Plant has taken advantage of this purchase agreement and is getting their paper through the SRS contract.
I want to thank everyone for submitting your FY 1999 annual reports over the internet. Our performance has improved slightly, as we reported on more items in FY99 than ever before. We are about to submit the Department's summary report to OMB and to the Office of the Federal Environmental Executive. It shows that overall when we bought the CPG items, 60% of the dollars spent purchased items with recycled content. When we allow for those instances when the recycled content versions of the items were not available competitively at reasonable price or did not meet performance standards, the percentage goes up to 85%. As you may know, the Secretary has set a goal of 100% for us in this area and Congress through RCRA has mandated that we buy 100% of the CPG items with recycled content.
Finally, I need to also tell you that as of the end of March, TRW and Kristin Wowak will no longer be supporting us at headquarters in this effort. Yes, we're losing our web guru, Kristin. However, starting April 1st (and I hope there are no glitches), SAIC will have taken over Kristin's duties. The web site is moving to a new address, which is available now. So please change your bookmarks. The SAIC team will be the same team which does the annual report of waste generation and Pollution Prevention progress now--a very able and committed group of people--Carol Laumeier, Connie Haga, Souad Benromdhane, and Mark Huffman, the Webmaster. Mark will be the point of contact. His e-mail address is on the web site. Give him some time to get up to speed during this transition, but please contact him if you need help or information.
We'll be starting with construction specifications and Shelley Worsham of Lawrence Berkeley National Lab. Shelley has just recently talked about her work to the White House Task Force working group on greening contract specifications. And now she'll be sharing that same information with us. David Koontz of Pacific Northwest National Lab will tell us about their experience with concrete containing fly ash or furnace slag. Mary-Ann Somsen of the Idaho National Environmental and Engineering Lab will discuss insulation. Dana Arnold of the White House Task Force on recycling will talk about latex paint. And from the Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory, Tom McGeachen, will talk about his lab's experience in acquiring carpet with recycled content. Let's start with David of INEEL----David?
11:20 a.m. Concrete with fly ash/furnace slag, especially when used as a flowable fill - David Koontz (Pacific Northwest National Laboratory - see "Concrete Merry Go Round" in the September 1997 edition of ESP News.
Sandra Cannon came to me about this project two and a half years ago.
PNNL was doing some mechanical work in a private facility. This work included replacing the concrete over a courtyard area in between two parts of this facility. The concrete needed to be replaced because it was 30 years old, and had several weather exposure related problems. The project required the replacement of 300 yards of concrete.
Sandra wanted me to investigate the feasibility of recycled content items for use in this project. We found two local suppliers that would take back the concrete demolition materials, as long as it did not contain rebar. They would use this material for such uses as road fill and road overlay. The cost per truck to remove this material was $20 per truck load to transport it to the suppliers. This was a $2,000 savings over tipping fees.
The procurement for the replacement concrete had already been made, so it was not possible to state in the contract that concrete with fly ash must be used. We checked with the batch plant and they said that they already had two major producers who already used 8-20% fly ash in their concrete. The batch plant said that they would provide the highest fly ash content as possible.
11:25 a.m. Questions and discussion of concrete
Q- Bill Turner- KCP -We were told at our plant that concrete with fly ash doesn't withstand chemicals, and we have been advised against its use in areas where there will be heavy chemical use. Has there been any testing to determine if this is true?
A- David Koontz- No testing has been done to determine that. Our concrete is typically an outdoor product, and no chemicals are expected to be used.
A- Dana Arnold- One question to ask would be would the same restriction occur if traditional concrete was used. Most applications of concrete require the application of an impervious barrier to the concrete.
Q- Satish Shah- Does the addition of fly ash to the concrete make it more expensive? Also with the addition of the fly ash, does this weaken the concrete?
A- Dana Arnold- For normal concrete usage the addition of the fly ash actually makes the concrete stronger. The fly ash might make the concrete take longer to set. This might cause problems if you need a quick setting concrete, but this would be a justification for why you would not buy concrete with fly ash. With the addition of fly ash to the concrete it is cost competitive with regular concrete.
Q- Tom McGeachen - What is flowable fill?
A- Dana Arnold- Flowable fill is a compressed low strength material that is used in the creation of trenches and over pipe. It is a self-leveling material that allows pipes to be secured in a smaller trench than if traditional concrete was used.
Q-Allie Mansker- Is there an ASTM standard(s) for flowable fill?
A-Dana Arnold- The ASTM standards are shown in RMAN.III for flowable fill and in RMAN I for cement and concrete.
Q- Rodney Jones- Has fly ash been studied to determine if it is a hazardous material? Are there any precautions that need to be taken if it is hazardous?
A- Dana Arnold- The fly ash that is added to the cement and concrete only contains coal ash, so there are no issues with using coal fly ash. This means that it is not a hazardous waste. Fly ash from Municipal Solid Waste Combustors would be a hazardous waste
Q- Mary-Ann Someson- INEEL in the beginning had some problems with the use of fly ash in the concrete, but now there is no hesitation about its use. I have a question about the use of ground granulated blast furnace slag as an additive. We have identified that it contains radioactive constituents, and that it is not readily available. Due to this, we are not able to use the cement with ground granulated blast furnace slag in building and roads.
A- Dana Arnold- Unfortunately I cannot give you an answer to your question because it is an issue that has not been raised before.
A- Susan Weber- DOE is very sensitive to the issue of increasing the radioactivity of our sites.
Q - Bruce Webster - Is there any generation of silica dust when drilling concrete with fly ash?
A - Dana Arnold - Nothing has been reported that would indicate that silica dust is a concern.
11:30 a.m. Construction Guidelines - Shelley Worsham (Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory)
We took 29 building specifications and revised them to include the CPG products as well as the construction and demolition guidelines for waste management. The specifications also included other environmentally preferable products. This means that they don't necessarily contain recycled content but they also could have been manufactured in a "green" process.
An example of one of the modifications that we made:
Concrete, specifically with fly ash: The specifications were rewritten to push the inclusion of 50% fly ash, saying that the concrete is stronger if you add 50% or more in the mixture. The specification also mentions the fact that the more fly ash that you add to the mixture the longer it will take to cure.
The specifications can be obtained two ways:
On disk by contacting Shelley Worsham at email@example.com or (510) 486-6126 using the following instructions for the password (Log on with user name (erhquser) and password (erhqdoe).
If you have any problems logging in please contact Arnie Edelman at firstname.lastname@example.org or (301)-903-5145
We also created four reporting charts: one was to report the products purchased, one to track the waste volume coming out of the area during a project, one to track how much waste was being disposed of, and one to track how much money is being made by recycling materials. This enables us to show that the cost of disposing of a dumpster at a cost of $350 per pull whereas it cost $250 -200 per pull to recycle the material. This shows the contractor that it is more cost effective to recycle than to dump in the Bay Area.
11:35 a.m. Questions and discussion of construction guidelines
Q- Tom McGeachen- Is demolition criteria in the specifications?
A- Shelly Worsham- Yes, they are in the specifications. In the Construction Section 15550, the first paragraph talks about what waste you will see, and the types of waste streams that will result from a demolition project. Of course the waste streams will vary by facility, but for a contractor to bid on a special project, this serves as a guideline to the types of waste they might have in the project.
In each specification section on a particular item we tried to list one to five vendors and the type of product that they provide (including the percent of recycled material content) to make it easier to buy these products.
Q- Do you do training on these specifications?
A- Shelly Worsham- I will come out to do training as long as you will pay for time and travel. The training would be for the project manager, the architect, the waste minimization coordinator and any others you feel should receive the training. I also have what I call my "petting zoo" which is key, which are product samples. This allows those people who will be buying the product to see the quality of the products out there.
11:45 a.m. Insulation - Mary-Ann Somsen (Idaho National Environmental and Engineering Laboratory)
We began research on the insulation products in 1998. We came across some issues in the beginning that we had to face. The first was the definitions of the items. It took several months to determine just what the items were before we could start looking for a supplier for the items.
We also found out some further information about four types of insulation:
Rock Wool can be replaced with fiberglass insulation, which is also a CPG item.
We determined that when cellulose loose fill is treated with a fire retardant that it can be combustible. This means that it must be enclosed with sheet rock. We wanted to use it for ceiling insulation, but due to the requirement to enclose it in sheet rock it was not cost effective to do so.
We also learned that the foam in place insulation is also considered to be combustible and it too needs to be enclosed with sheet rock. When used within sheet rock, cellulose insulation is more fire resistant.
We discovered that Phenolic Rigid Foam is not manufactured in the United States. Also the introduction of water to this product can lead to the accelerated corrosion of steel.
11:50 a.m. Questions and discussion of insulation
Q-Allie Mansker- I just wanted to clarify something that you said Mary-Ann. You said that the cellulose fill treated with a fire retardant is combustible, is this right?
A- Mary-Ann Someson- Yes, that statement is true.
Q- Monica Jorque - I have a question about how we are to comply with the recycled content requirements on the insulation when the suppliers do not comply on a batch to batch basis, but rather, they average their compliance over the year?
A-Dana Arnold- The best solution to this problem is to get a certification from them as you buy the item. And get the certification that on average over the year that it meets the content requirements, not on a batch to batch basis. This is the best we can do at this point.
Q- Monica Jorque- Should this be a CPG item?
A- Dana Arnold- Yes, because the item is in the California Standards and they are able to comply with the content requirements. The way the certifications work is it has to be obtained on an item by item basis.
Noon Paint - Dana Arnold (EPA Representative to the White House Recycling Task Force) "Painting the Town Green - Aberdeen Proving Ground Paint Pilot Project" http://www.epa.gov/opptintr/epp/new.html#Paint
I want to talk about some issues with the Aberdeen Proving Ground Paint Pilot Project.
They first said that they could not buy the recycled content paints because of the VOCs (Volatile Organic Compounds). This is because they were using the EPP (Environmentally Preferable Products) way of categorizing the qualities that they wanted in their paints. Because they are in an air non-attainment area they set the "acceptable" VOC levels lower that the EPA Level, which precluded them from buying the recycled content paints.
Aberdeen was trying to reduce the number of types of paints that they had and to account for the fact that they are in an air non-attainment area, so they contracted for a paint with a lower VOC level, which meant that they were not able to buy the recycled content paint because it had a higher VOC Level than their "acceptable" level.
First off, the requirement to buy the recycled content CPG items is mandatory, whereas using the EPP guidelines for selecting products is not. This means that you cannot set your EPP guidelines with VOC standards that prevent you from buying the recycled paint.
One way in which to lower your overall VOC output of your paints is to get a lower level of VOCs over a range of paints, not over the entire paint inventory. This allows you to buy the required recycled content paints while still allowing you to meet your requirements on the VOC level. This is a better solution than setting a lower VOC level for all paints, which might exclude the recycled content paints.
Names of suppliers that we found to make consolidated and reprocessed latex paints:
P.O. Box 2707
Saint Louis, MO 63116
Nancy Niemeyer, 314-776-0071
This company supplied the paint used in the new offices of the White House Task Force on Recycling.
Angel's Touch Paint Center
Rosemarie Roque, 610-432-9477
GSA identified this source; I've had no contact with them.
Atlantic County Utilities Authority
6700 Delilah Road
Egg Harbor Twp., NJ 08234-5623
Ronald Berenato, 609-272-6920
We identified this source while looking for paint for our new offices; he's contacting EPA to be added to the CPG vendor list.
12:05 p.m. Questions and discussion of paint
Q-Tom McGeachen- Have you come across a good Web site to find manufacturers of the reprocessed and consolidated paints?
A-Dana Arnold- We have not done so yet.
Q-Maureen Ferentz -KCP- What is the EPA acceptable VOC level?
A-Dana Arnold-250 grams perliter.
Q-What is the difference between >reprocessed vs. consolidated paints?
A- Dana- Reprocessed paint is postconsumer latex paint that has been sorted by a variety of characteristics including type (i.e., interior or exterior), light and dark colors, and finish (e.g., high-gloss versus flat). The paint is filtered and new additives are included. Reprocessed paint is available in various colors and is suitable for both interior and exterior applications. Consolidated paint consists of postconsumer latex paint with similar characteristics (e.g., type, color family, and finish) that is consolidated at the point of collection. Consolidated paint is typically used for exterior applications or as an undercoat. You usually get a grayish color with a consolidated paint.
Q-Greg Sawl- Do you have the names of any paint suppliers in the Pittsburgh area?
A- Dana Arnold- In Allentown, PA, there is a GSA paint supplier (see information above)
Q- Greg Sawl- Do you have Performance data on the paint?
A-Dana Arnold- No, I don't because I have not dealt with them directly.
Q-Could wastewater be used for paint production?
A- Dana Arnold- No.
12:10 p.m. Carpeting - Tom McGeachen (Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory)
In the process of replacing our carpeting at the lab and in the DOE Offices, we have found two companies that sell carpets with the recommended recycled content. They are:
Shaw Contract Carpeting:
They have 25 products that contain 25% recycled material in the pile. They are a GSA contractor.
Through this supplier we completed two projects. The first project we contracted with a local contractor and they supplied the Shaw product and installed it. The second project (which was a smaller area than the first) we purchased the carpeting directly from Shaw with the P-card and the cost of the carpeting this way was about one third of the cost that was charged by the contractor.
The carpet has been in place for 6 months now. We have not cleaned it yet, but are getting ready to do so in the near future. The seam index for the carpet is 5, which means that you really cannot tell that it is carpet squares instead of wall to wall.
One nice thing about Shaw is that the Shaw regional manager is in our area, so we were able to get samples of the carpets very easily from the regional manager.
Collins & Aikman Floorcovering:
This company has 12 items under the GSA contract.
Their carpet meets the CPG recycled content requirement because their backing is 100% recycled content, but they have no recycled content in the pile.
We also recovered our lab spaces in linoleum. Good things about the linoleum versus vinyl is that linoleum is "self healing" and it is made of all natural products. Forbo Industries is a GSA contractor.
Web sites for further information on the products discussed:
Collins & Aikman Floorcovering: http://www.powerbond.com/
Shaw Contract Carpeting: http://www.shawcontract.com/
Forbo Industries (linoleum): http://www.forbo-industries.com/default.aspx
12:15 p.m. Questions and discussion of carpeting
Q- Sandra Cannon- When you purchased the carpet, did you purchase extra carpet tiles?
A-Tom McGeachen- Yes, we did purchase extra carpet tiles. We did this in case things we spilled on the carpet could not be removed. We also glued down our carpet squares in such a way that they could be replaced if needed, not in a way that would glue the squares down for good.
Q-Did you do a cost comparison of the recycled content carpeting versus the virgin?
A- Tom McGeachen- No, we did not because I didn't give them any choice. I provided a list of the products that they were to buy, no choice was provided. Most carpet manufacturers are going toward the inclusion of recycled content (either in the pile or the backing) in their carpets because it makes good business sense.
Q- Susan Weber-What about the recycling of the old carpeting material?
A-Tom McGeachen-You need to put into the job specifications that the carpet must be recycled.
Dana Arnold- In the New CPG III/RMAN III the one product that did not make the list was the carpet backing. This was because EPA only found one manufacturer. Also nylon carpet might be an item in CPG IV.
Tom McGeachen- Both manufacturers will buy their product from a recycling plant in Augusta, GA, Allied Signal Evergreen Nylon Recycling. This plant will make Type 6 Nylon by recycling old carpeting. It is more cost effective to recycle the nylon than to make virgin.
Q-How do you make sure that it has the right recycled content?
A- Tom McGeachen- On the Shaw product sample back it says what the recycled content is in it.
12:20 p.m. Decide on date (May 18?) and topic for next teleconference
Next Teleconference will be May 18th , 2000
12:30 p.m. Adjourn
Sources of Information Applicable to this Teleconference
Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory Construction Guidelines http://epic.er.doe.gov/epicdoe/bulletin/masterspecs/toc1.htm
Incorporation of principles of EO13101 into the Laboratory's construction guidelines for staff and sub-contractors. Log on with user name (erhquser) and password (erhqdoe).
"Painting the Town Green - Aberdeen Proving Ground Paint Pilot Project" http://www.epa.gov/epp/pubs/case/paint.pdf
Results of paint pilot project at Aberdeen Proving Ground
Office of the Federal Environmental Executive http://ofee.gov/
Government Wide Strategic Plan for Implementing EO 13101 U.S. Department of Energy's EO 13101 home page http://twilight.saic.com/ap
DOE EO 13101 Implementation Plan + annual report and source of helpful information. For instance, to quickly find the EPA specifications and guidance for the designated products, look at the EO 13101 home page under Affirmative Procurement Program Guidance.
U.S. Department of Energy/Richland Operations Office http://www.hanford.gov/polprev/ap.html
DOE-Richland's Affirmative Procurement Strategy for Implementing EO13101 Executive Order 13101 (Replaces EO 12873) - Greening the Government through Waste Prevention, Recycling, and Federal Acquisition
Executive Order 13123 - Energy Efficiency http://www.eren.doe.gov/femp/aboutfemp/exec13123.html
Executive Order 13134 - Developing and Promoting Biobased Products and Bioenergy http://ceq.hss.doe.gov/nepa/regs/eos/eo13148.html
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency http://www.epa.gov/cpg/products.htm
List of designated products pertaining to EO13101. Under each product is a list of manufacturers and suppliers for that product.
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency http://www.epa.gov/opptintr/epp/
Database of product information and newsletter, EPP Update
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency http://www.epa.gov/epp/pubs/greenguides.htm
Guidance on Government Purchasing of Green Products
DOE Complex Wide Materials Exchange http://wastenot.er.doe.gov/
Post available and search for wanted materials (especially chemicals, equipment, and hazardous materials) at other DOE facilities. Log on with user name (your site initials + user, for instance erhquser) and password (your site initials, for instance erhqdoe).
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency http://ofee.gov/html/rcra2.htm
Guidance on Conducting Inspections of Federal Facilities for Compliance with Section 6002 of the Resource Conservation and Recovery Act, May 12, 1999